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Java WTF - Jess Sightler

Jess Sightler — Wed, 21 May 2008 17:22:52 +0200

I agree, it is really complicated... when I have to download one, I always take the following very complex steps:

1. Go to http://java.sun.com/
2. Click "Java SE" under the Popular Downloads section on the right
3. Click the "Download" link right next to the one that I want (JDK 6 Update x)
4. Select my platform and language (Linux, Multiplatform), check the box (that part is really really hard) and then click "Continue"
5. Click the file that I want and have it download

I have never had them shove a download manager at me, and I always cancel or avoid such things when they are avaialable.

You are right, though, download managers are idiotic.

Java WTF - troll

troll — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:18:27 +0200

Hey, 64-bit is pretty much the standard already. I don't know very many people running 32-bit anymore, and I am not talking about nerds.

Java WTF - Philip Hofstetter

Philip Hofstetter — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:04:53 +0200

what I don't get behind all this "optimizations" to download pages seemingly going on all over the place: Why?

Why create additional points of failure? Why only let people running a java runtime to download the java runtime? Why keep showing "your download is starting now"-pages redirecting to the actual file when many browsers disallow this practice by default?

Ironically, such pages even display information on how to teach the browsers to accept the download none the less...

Why not just provide the download link? Every current browser provides usable UI for downloads and nearly every browser even supports resuming of aborted downloads.

Why subject the user to ever changing experiences? Why risk braking the whole process for some users for no apparent benefit?

I-just-don't-get-it!

Philip

Java WTF - Le Magnifique

Le Magnifique — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:09:19 +0200

You fail.

Java WTF - Benoît Dejean

Benoît Dejean — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:39:21 +0200

I liked the way some software editors manage to screw even the most simple action: downloading a file is so easy.

That reminds me of http://www.waterfall2006.com/ : "It was hard to build, it should be hard to use" + "it should be hard to download".

Java WTF - Chris Cunningham

Chris Cunningham — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:25:46 +0200

I liked the line about "unethical crap" at the end, which basically says "no matter how this turned out I was going to blame Sun for being the Antichrist".

- Chris

Java WTF - Mark Wielaard

Mark Wielaard — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:51:39 +0200

It is now by default in lots of GNU/Linux distros (under the GPL!). For Fedora 8 use yum install java-1.6.0-icedtea-{devel,plugin,demo,javadoc,src} for Fedora 9 or CentOS 5: yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk-{devel,plugin,demo,javadoc,src}

Others listed at: http://openjdk.java.net/install/

Java WTF - @Sam

@Sam — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:35:46 +0200

The funniest thing is that when I go to the website, I am told that I should install Java Web Start for the best downloading experience... WHICH IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE FOR MY AMIGA!!!!11111!!!!11

"the best downloading experience" aka the easiest is not meant for people who know WTF they are doing. If you use a 64 bits OS it pretty much means you should know what you are doing and shouldn't need someone holding your hand on the website to figure that the default download path is not meant for people like you.

http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP...

That was so hard to get. Oh ye gods.

Java WTF - Sam Morris

Sam Morris — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:22 +0200

The funniest thing is that when I go to the web site, I am told that I should install Java Web Start for the best downloading experience... WHICH IS NOT EVEN AVAILABLE ON MY PLATFORM (amd64)! Fail.

Java WTF - Benoît Dejean

Benoît Dejean — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:17:08 +0200

- unfortunately not every server runs Debian
- the SDM is the default method and it's unusable.

Java WTF - Porcolino

Porcolino — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:14:25 +0200

That's why you were fired.

Java WTF - Chris Jones

Chris Jones — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:49:59 +0200

sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin

surely?

Java WTF - aoeu

aoeu — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:43:17 +0200

sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jdk

Java WTF - CLaudio

CLaudio — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:39:49 +0200

You clicked on the wrong link (probably you are using the Sun downloader or as the previous commentator writes the online installation).

Java WTF - Pavel

Pavel — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:24:13 +0200

if you would have looked better on the downnload page, you would have ffound the offline installer, which does not haave a downloader. so beenolt wtf

Internet Explorer sucks - Eduardo

Eduardo — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:45:52 +0200

No! Bad weasel! Stop humping the Earth!